The 1932 Democratic Presidential Primary

I did a little research for fun on the 1932 Democratic Primary...it was Franklin Roosevelt against Al Smith. Apparently Roosevelt won most of the primaries, and had a majority of pledged delegates as well. (see Obama).

Whats interesting is there was a number of people opposed to Roosevelt as he was 'too liberal'.
http://www.multied.com/elections/Convent ions/1932DEM.html

Now, while the economy isn't as bad as 1932, it certainly isn't good either, with millions of foreclosures, oil up as high as it is, food prices increasing, and jobs being lost.

Anyway, I simply can't imagine Al Smiths supporters threatening to vote for Hoover if Roosevelt got the nomination. Perhaps they were the type of Democrats who felt winning the presidency was more important that getting their preferred nominee.

But anyway, I still believe after 8 years of Bush..planning to stay home or voting McCain is pretty much silent or active assent of the past 8 years.

Now I'm not saying that Obama is going to be the next Roosevelt. But thats not really the point, is ?



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And then there was Norman Thomas saying he (none / 0)

was too conservative (his campaign platform was less liberal than the actions he took in office).


by bobdoleisevil on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:18:42 AM EST

The Obama camp always tries to portray Obama as... (none / 0)

a liberal Democrat, when he actually isn't anywhere near as progressive as Hillary.

Hillary's healthcare plan works, while Obama's will probably have the effect of raising costs.. (at least with his last changes.. see my previous posts on adverse selection)

Why can't the Obama folk give the spin machine a break and TALK ABOUT REAL ISSUES FOR A CHANGE...

The ugly truth is that all this GARBAGE is a huge diversionary tactic so that Obama doesn't have to answer the hard questions about his platform and his electability.

Oh, and about primaries running through June being normal.. (hence the circus sideshow yesterday)


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:39:28 AM EST
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Re: Ark is a troll (none / 0)

Dude, you at least used to engage in conversation. Now you're just being a troll. Take a hint- when nobody's buying what you're selling, even the people  on your side, you're selling something bad.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:46:47 AM EST
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Architek (none / 0)

just needs a hug. WHO NEEDS A HUG?

[hides shovel behind back].

C'mere for a hug!


Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"
by Lord Hadrian on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:55:44 AM EST
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Re: Architek (none / 0)

Please give the architect back his shovel: he needs it to lay the foundation for his next edifice to Ayn Rand.


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Sun May 25, 2008 at 03:04:15 AM EST
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Re: And then there was Norman Thomas saying he (none / 0)

My favorite story about Norman Thomas is that sometime in the 60s he was asked what his greatest achievement was and he said, "that the Democratic party has adopted almost all of my platform."

Course, it was a different Dem party back then.


by vadasz on Sun May 25, 2008 at 05:51:52 AM EST
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Re: The 1932 Democratic Presidential Primary (none / 0)

primaries back in 1932 were not the same as today's.

The democratic party used a lot of backroom deals back then.

Our current system really didn't begin until the 1970's (as far as mass primaries).  The SD's and the way pledge delegates were appropriated started in the late 1970's and thru the 1980's.

1932 vs 2008 is not a valid comparison


by colebiancardi on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:30:54 AM EST

You mean they're not saying this? (none / 0)


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:43:09 AM EST

Re: The 1932 Democratic Presidential Primary (2.00 / 1)

The Democrats used to have a rule that the party's nominee had to be someone who could win 2/3rds of the delegates (this was dropped, btw, just after the 1932 race).  It was always clear that FDR could get a majority of the delegates at the convention.  What the backers of other candidates hoped to do was deprive him of this two-thirds vote (they were spoilers, essentially, and if they'd succeeded the nominee would have been someone who could have gotten this large a majority, ie. it wouldn't have been Al Smith).  FDR passed the 2/3rds mark and got elected.

If such a rule were in place today, I have my doubts that either Obama or Clinton would get the nomination (but who knows?  at the end of the day the Dems would have to nominate someone, and even in this race it's possible the delegates at the convention would throw their support to one or the other rather than go with someone who was old hat or unknown).  But you can see the dynamic in play (I might not get the nomination but I'll make sure you don't, either).


by IncognitoErgoSum on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:43:42 AM EST

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This was Kucinich's plan for victory.  Unfortunately, his strategist wasn't sufficiently up on current delegate selection rules.


"All I'm doing is trying to look at things objectively and arrive at a solution to a very difficult situation." Major Danby in Catch-22 ch. 42
by Major Danby on Sun May 25, 2008 at 04:35:05 AM EST
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If this older system were in place now, btw, I'm not certain that Hillary Clinton would get the nomination.  You'd have a similar situation, actually, to the one we have now.  Clinton would have been the clear front runner (having, as she does, the support of people who belonged to the Clinton administration, the loyalty of politicians in New York and Arkansas, etc.--the whole shebang).

There are plenty of people within the Democratic party, though, who have good reasons not to sign on to a Clinton candidacy (eg. Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, there are plenty of states where the Clinton name isn't magical, each with their own party apparatuses, and so on).  These politicians, in the old system, would have gone looking for a candidate who could beat her (and, interestingly, they might have come up with someone like Barack Obama--someone who could get the support of a major constituency of the Democratic party, ie. African-American voters, right out of the gate, who was young and charismatic, had one of the big state poltical organizations behind him, hadn't made many enemies, was untainted by scandal, etc.).

So while the current system is different, politics is still the same game (we're not in some totally different world).


by IncognitoErgoSum on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:54:52 AM EST

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I've got to rec any diary that takes us back to '32.

Al Smith didn't have a problem with the Catholic vote...


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Sun May 25, 2008 at 03:05:34 AM EST

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Yea he did, you must have missed the 1928 election.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sun May 25, 2008 at 02:56:38 PM EST
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I was too busy investing in stocks in '28 to pay attention to politics....


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Sun May 25, 2008 at 06:09:10 PM EST
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Don't EVEN tell me you all think Obama is as good as FDR.


by wblynch on Sun May 25, 2008 at 03:18:31 AM EST

We don't think that at all.. (none / 0)

but then again, this diary isn't about that either.


Users who are excessively bashing the Democratic Party, or being Republican trolls, will be banned.
by Massadonious on Sun May 25, 2008 at 03:37:12 AM EST
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Re: But a cripple isn't going to be ELECTABLE! (none / 0)

You don't think the hard-working white people of the country will vote for a man in a wheelchair, do you?

No, the supers had better step in and take it away from this FDR guy, or we're gonna lose in November!

</snark>


by Victor Laszlo on Sun May 25, 2008 at 04:12:26 AM EST

Re: But a cripple isn't going to be ELECTABLE! (none / 0)

actually, the Democratic pary & the media of that time HID it from the American public that FDR was crippled.  And yes, the reason why they did that was that they didn't think he could get elected if the public knew.


by colebiancardi on Sun May 25, 2008 at 09:36:54 AM EST
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Re: But a cripple isn't going to be ELECTABLE! (none / 0)

They didn't hide it. They didn't flaunt it, either. It was well-known that FDR was handicapped, and it was an issue during his first run for the governor of New York, as a matter of fact, and in 1936.


by PantherDem on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:35:37 PM EST
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